The libs laugh at the Constitution. They do not care.

The Supreme Court has basically stopped saying crap like Obamacare is unconstitutional. They should wake up.

It will be the FIRST time that the government requires us to buy a product as a condition to being alive and a US citizen

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god it’s like you people don’t even know what logical fallacy means

If you think it’s unconstitutional, can you at least suggest a provision of the Constitution that you think has been violated? That would seem like a logical first step to a Constitutional argument, wouldn’t it?

A lot of people will just pay the fine for not having insurance rather then have the insurance because it is a lot cheaper, then sign up for the insurance when they need it because no one can be turned away.

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They couldn’t care less about the constitution!

Yes, it is constitutional. The government can mandate you do many things: pay for health care, pay taxes, respect the Law, have ID, etc. These things can depend on the government’s decision therefore not on your willingness to cooperate.

The real problem inherent with this is that we are too far gone already to really do anything about bringing the United States governments back within the limits of the Constitution.

This is quite similar to Bush’s education “reforms”, there is no provision within the Constitution that would justify the No Child Left Behind Act, which is why it surprises me that no one has challenged it yet: after all nowhere in the Constitution is any branch of the federal government given authority over schools and education so it should be the role of the individual States via the 10th Amendment. The health care mandate is similar in that it is never mentioned in the Constitution as a power of the federal government and should therefore be within the realm of State governments or the citizens/people themselves.

The only real justification I can find is Article 1 section 8, which says…

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

The problem with using this as justification is that the specificity of such a “tax” would seem to violate Article 1, section 9 which says that “No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.” Also it would be an unprecedented, as far as i can tell, move to tax people for not doing something. That would seem to be closer to a fine than to a tax, meaning that such a provision would seem to violate the 5th Amendment.

Show me where it is prohibited? And if you want to show where it is allowed, show me where the Patriot act is allowed as well please.

I am always amazed how many Americans seem not to be aware about the real healthcare issues relying instead on FOX and other sources to spread lies about the healthcare system of the USA and those abroad. I mean, if healthcare in nations with universal coverage is so bad, why do they keep it?
Obama wants to make insurance more available to all and change the system so that it gives the American people value for money [1]. He also wants change so that the insurance companies find it harder to get out of paying for treatment. The system he is proposing looks similar to that which works in Taiwan where private companies are involved in providing healthcare [2].
Obama campaigned on reforming the healthcare system. He said he wanted to make insurance more available and he was elected by the American people to do this [3].
FACT – the US has higher death rates for kids both for kids aged under one and those under five than western European countries with universal health coverage [4].
FACT – American insurance companies push up prices and work to stop paying out claims on those they cover [5].
FACT – the USA spends more on healthcare PER PERSON than any other nation on the planet [6].
That means that a dead American four year old would have had a better chance of life if they were born in any western nation with universal health coverage.
If you do not like the policies that Obama was elected to bring in, he can always be voted out of office in 2012. But if you disagree with the facts, please let me know. I am always willing to learn, but please provide proof. None of those who disagree with me have been able to do that so far.